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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 08:09:00 -
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What makes this ship worth the cost of ganking it?
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 09:15:00 -
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That all sounds very lovely, but what is the incentive to gank it?
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 09:23:00 -
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I had something a bit more rewarding in mind.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 09:52:00 -
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Because it has a lot more tank than a regular barge and costs a lot more to destroy.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:28:00 -
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HandelsPharmi wrote:if you want to fit weapons, you will sacrifice a slot for your mining lasers
No one is going to fit weapons. All you're going to do is mine AFK in perfect safety which is why it needs to have an incentive for gankers.
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:39:00 -
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How often are Skiffs suicide ganked?
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:40:00 -
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HandelsPharmi wrote:if the BS hull would cost around 500 Mio (ORE LP shop, best idea!)
it would be a better target for gankers
How?
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Posted - 2014.01.26 11:54:00 -
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HandelsPharmi wrote:+xx % per level if there are any ORE Strip Miners fitted
So these ORE strip miners will be very expensive faction mods that get extra mining bonuses? Well it would make the ship a far more appealing target, however it comes at a cost of buffing the mining yield of the whole of New Eden, which may have serious repercussions.
HandelsPharmi wrote:The yield shoult be a ~10 % higher than in a skiff if you fit 4 Mining Laser Upgrades.
But only with faction mods.
Well I don't really care about this BS idea much, but I definitely like the idea of expensive faction mods for miners and will +1 that part.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 12:23:00 -
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Wait, these faction mods already exist and no one uses them.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 12:52:00 -
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Eve-Central shows only 6 ORE modules on the market and they're in lowsec for 400m each. That isn't going to help your role bonuses much.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.26 19:06:00 -
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So if it does everything worse than Exhumers, what is the point of it?
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Posted - 2014.01.26 19:26:00 -
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Mining ships don't need versatility or bite.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.27 07:21:00 -
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James Nikolas Tesla wrote:So before I leave this thread to die, one more question.
On a scale of one to invade Russia in winter.
Exactly how bad is this idea?
It's a bad idea. A BS sized mining barge might not be an awful idea, but you'll need to give it a lot more thought.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.28 14:57:00 -
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Lephia DeGrande wrote:Jeanne-Luise Argenau wrote:Lephia DeGrande wrote:Riot Girl wrote:What makes this ship worth the cost of ganking it? Question: What so different for ganking a Barge with some destroyer or ganking Battleship sized Exhumer with Tier3 Battlecruiser? Cant see the better reward? (Serious Question) depends on fitting but i would say 99% cheap griefing, to grief a 100k ehp bs might be to expensive so :P Ok, just some Opinions from my side. Gank Destroyer ~2mil ISK Standard Barge ~ 25mil ISK Gank ABC ~110mil ISK Then Mining BS should ~1400mil ISK (i would suggest at least 2000mil or better 2500mil) So, Mining BS should strong enough to withstand nearly two ABCs. So the lost would be crushing but easier to avoid if the miner uses the dscan. (two/three Tornados Or 10 catalysts? Warp for your life!)
If it's going to cost 200m to gank the ship, then it needs to have the potential to be profitable for the ganker. I don't really see miners fitting deadspace mods to their barges or anything.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:26:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:Why does it need to be profitable for a ganker?
If the excel sheet says it takes 300mil ISK to reliably gank this boat, then they will make that the top level for safe fitting.
I said it needs to have potential to be profitable, or to at least minimise losses significantly. The problem is, if there is no incentive for people to gank these ships, then the miners will be left alone to mine AFK all day long.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:29:00 -
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Nikk Narrel wrote:
Players have the right to fly ships which simply are not cost effective to gank, much less profitable to consider.
This ability is always done the same way, by fitting low cost items or using low cost hulls.
Yes, of course.
Quote:Like using cheap mods on any ship, this BS should represent a fitting sacrifice to the user. It should be less yield and utility than an exhumer or barge, and be far less mobile than a Venture.
What about the issue of safety?
Quote:This makes it a trade off, and players who like ganking are the reason these sacrifices are even considered in the first place.
I'm not convinced about that part.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.28 16:56:00 -
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Which brings me back to my previous question. If it has comparable tank and less yield than a barge, then what is for?
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.28 17:09:00 -
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Because miners need to be ganked, that's just the way of the universe. You can't argue with that.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:18:00 -
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Meyr wrote:you now demand that every damned ship in the game be profitable for you to gank?
Did I?
Quote:Get off your lazy ass and go work for a living. Go build something. Go make something. Go EARN your ISK, instead of expecting people like me to just give you everything you want.
Because AFK mining in complete safety is such hard work.
Quote:In short, stop proving the truth in my long-stated opinion that gankers and (bad) pirates are the whiniest, most tear-filled, cowardly, and lazy Eve players that exist.
Wow, such prejudice. You don't even know if I'm a ganker or pirate and you're already labelling an entire group of people unrelated to me. So much for progress.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:28:00 -
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Stephanie Rosefire wrote:there should never be an incentive for something to be ganked. CCP doesnt design ships with an incentive to be ganked.
Suicide ganking was a factor in the mining barge rebalancing. Since then, I believe they've even stated they got the numbers wrong and gave mining barges too much EHP.
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Riot Girl
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Posted - 2014.01.29 05:37:00 -
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My Little Pyongyang wrote:Riot Girl wrote:Stephanie Rosefire wrote:there should never be an incentive for something to be ganked. CCP doesnt design ships with an incentive to be ganked. Suicide ganking was a factor in the mining barge rebalancing. Since then, I believe they've even stated they got the numbers wrong and gave mining barges too much EHP. Really, where? Are they going to adjust them down at all? Now you've got me excited, don't you ******* tease me.
I don't know, it was something I read from another poster so it may not be accurate.
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